Orly Taitz, NH Ballot Law Commission and Fraudulent Obama Filing

Wow! That's all I can say....and yet he continues to lie about it....ugh...can't wait for that man to get a pink slip!

This is great.....thanks for a job well done.....it was a little hard to understand her, you really had to pay close attention and I had my sound turned up all the way....
Yep, I'm with you there.....can't wait till he gets a pink slip too, Lord knows he's behind so many others who have gotten one........

i would like to contact ms taitz to see if i could pay her to send me copies of her documentation for me to look over to see if i could present it to the illinois election commission
i would also like to know what has happened since her presentation?

COMMENT BY Tim Carter:

Kathy, simple. Go to her website. Just search her name online.

One of the sites is: www.runorlyrun.com

I truly don,t understand why there isnt more outrage. I agree with these brave people trying to defend our country.

I thought Orly did a fantastic job outlining the case against Bari' /Soberka/Harrison J. Bounel, Obama/ and other names not yet uncovered by investigators on his tail from keeping his name off the NH ballot. These men and women on the commission should be tried for treason. You can bet they will be hearing from me as I give them an earfull. Once you listen to Orly for a while you can understand her better, God love her! this wonderful immigrant trying to save our republic almost alone.

One of the reasons that I've always had trouble with about Obama and his birth certificate issues are because I was born in Alaska before it was a state. Delivered by a midwife on an island my mom and dad had homesteaded. I have a certificate of live birth and a birth certificate, both issued by the federal government.

So I find it real hard to believe that producing a real birth certificate and the records to back it up (not just the photo shopped thing on the .gov site) would be all that hard.

Hawaii was a state and he was born in a hospital, or so the story goes... If I have my papers, after being born when and where I was, then surely so should he.

This is her main site: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

Wow! Now more than ever we need to pray for our country.

I haven't watched the video yet, but I kept searching to see if anything happened during the court session -

what a farce! She was "sold down the river" - wonder who paid off who?

So heed their advice: Go to the Concord NH Attorney General and file a criminal complaint for Fraud. Get a petition of registered voters and present it to the AG. GIVE A COPY TO EVERY PAPER IN THE STATE TO PUBLISH.

This committee and its chair have obviously been compromised. They are Democrats and fearful that they do not rock the boat.

Eventually, one state will withdraw (AZ) (MO) his name, and it will become a chain reaction.

Warning: Obama will create a False Flag (Terror Attack) if the dominos begin to fall and will suspend the election.

There is no way he will go quietly. He is a Terror.

Unfortunately, State Law was abided/conformed to. Apparently the state law requires only a 1,000 payment plus filling out their form - from what I heard in the hearing, there is no requirement by the state to meet any constitutional requirement. This points out that States must pass laws requiring that Constitutional Requirements must be met before a candidate for president can be added. I would also suggest that the candidate (versus a surragate - VP - must make application in person). I guess the state will then be sued by the present Obama government if it passes a law requiring the Fed. Constitution be upheld (same as immigration laws being contested).

SO MY CONCLUSION IS: I doubt that any state has a law requiring the Presidential Candidate to meet Constitutional Requirements and I perceive a Federal Law can not be passed because of the present control of the Senate & Presidency to do so, All State Laws (that might be passed between now and next year's election will be contested by our Fed. Attorney General, Eric Holder) Which means they will not be considered before the election.

THEREFORE: WE MUST DEMAND THAT WHOMEVER FINALLY RUNS AS THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE AGREES TO PASS A FEDERAL LAW REQUIRING THAT ANY FEDERAL CANDIDATE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION!

I agree that Obama is likely not qualified to be our president - but the cover-up has been successful, and there appears to be nothing we or the states can do to. WE MUST ELECT SOMEONE ELSE, THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH!

Mike Mc

Hi Tim, England calling....Having watched the tape the feeling I get is that the wrong battlefield was chosen. Would I be right about that? It did seem as though the committee chairman went to great lengths to point that out. Their remit was extremely narrow. Surely if this evidence of wrongdoing is so strong, then it can go before the relevant authorities without delay.

COMMENT BY Tim Carter:

Stuart, Hello from across the pond!

You bring up a good point, one that Orly should answer. I've sent her an email.

One thing that BOTHERED me after the vote was did the commission's counsel READ all of the sections of the state RSAs and refer to all of the RSAs about what the commission's responsibilities are.

You should read the comment directly above this one for the probable solution.

I feel that there is a damn loophole that needs to be closed.

Tell us how all of this is being viewed in the UK. Does your media feel that those of us like Orly are a bunch of kooks - crazy people?

Any fairly intelligent person who looks objectively at the birth certificate document Obama released can see it is a poorly done forgery and should be asking why release that if he has a real one that proves that he was born in Hawaii. It is disgusting that people with the authority to investigate and prosecute him are ignoring this.

After listening to all that it appears to me your constitution means absolutely nothing in New Hampshire. The decision of the committee said as much. Strong evidence was presented as a challenge to Barry's candidacy as being in violation of the constitution which I thought was the supreme law of the U.S. and they ignored all that because his filing met their requirements to fill in a form and pay the fee! I'm stating what many of you already know:The constitution is already dead! The federal government, and most others are run by criminals. We have people in congress involved in insider trading. Fraudulent documents presented by your president. Illegal check points in airports and now extending out onto your roads, with vipre teams stopping and searching everyone. Judges in the system are also corrupt. Look what happened to Jesse Ventura! The judge sat on his suit until the time past for any possibility of appeal and then she dismissed the case outright.
Congress is all but a mere show piece now. They have the committee of 12 now running the show. Dictator in chief Barry is the 13th and deciding vote! You no longer live in a constitutional republic. You live in a fascist state! If it isn't stopped and reversed your country will be totally gutted financially and you will be prisoners in your homeland. Fema already has the camps ready for dissenters. And they have millions of plastic coffins already prepared. The big kill-off of us useless eaters is getting near.

The matter of a candidate's eligibility shouldn't have to go to court or be legislated. The only requirement of a candidate should be his admission, verbal or by letter, that he/she is a natural born citizen. If a candidate says he is, but lied, he's disqualified. It's really quite simple.

What a bunch of wimps! Hope they have trouble sleeping.

After listening to that , I know now even more so that Orly and birthers are idiots.

What an embarrassment. Taitz didn't know the grounds used by the SoS to determine ballot eligibility. And she just spewed all kinds of irrelevant stuff without any proof.

No social security number? How does she know? How do her investigators know? Is that a requirement to be President?

Only went to Columbia for 9 months? How does she know? Is that a requirement to be President? Who cares except a hate monger?

I think Taitz and her fellow travelers are freaking out because President Obasma is a Democrat -- and a black one at that!

Talk about paranoia and hate. Wow. And those state representatives should be ashamed of themselves, too. They should have their pay docked. $200 a year? They are being grossly overpaid.

COMMENT BY Tim Carter:

Brendon,

We've been waiting for you.

You're not going to win any arguments with your comment. You need to come to the Fire Pit with FACTS. You've supplied none. That's the typical modus operandi of an Obama minon.

If you want to gain respect here in the Fire Pit, you do it with facts, not opinions.

It's time for you to make a trip to the NH Secretary of State's office, get a copy of the 85 pages of evidence, scan them, load them to a website you start up, and take all that apart piece by piece. When you do that, be sure to come back here with the website URL. We'll be waiting.

I know you won't do it because you don't have the passion that Dr. Taitz has.

If you want us to listen to you, you must come back with facts that "disprove" the statements made by Dr. Taitz at the hearing.

The first place you should probably start is with your last sentence.

The five who sit on the NH Law Ballot Commission are not state representatives. They're appointed officials. In your next comment, because I know it will come, be sure to include a URL that goes back to a NH state website that shows they're paid $200 per year.

And the race card thing. Give us a break. Just because you want to ensure a Presidential candidate is eligible, then you're a racist. Oh, that makes all kinds of sense.

If your comment weren't so weak, it'd be funny.

When you come back with your response, which you will, no one - including me - will respond to you until you come armed with cold, hard facts.

Why are you morons sending a millionaire money for this crap?

There is a possible way to stop this fraud. Vote for Ron Paul. If he is not the Republican candidate, then write in his name. If enough people vote for him, it may make it impossible for the District of Criminality denizens to rig the election.

I learned of this a few weeks ago, side stepping the constitution is the favorite dance of the left, president obama's father never became a us citizen it is a no brainer, but here's the kick in the head liberals want marco rubio disqualified for the same reason

Did I not follow this correctly? The Asst. Secrectary said that the name would be added to the primary unless the application was contested. If contested, it gets handed off to the Attorney General, who then brings it before the Ballot Law Commision and holds a hearing about the issue. Although, the Ballot Law Commission says that all they have to do is insure that Obama filled out his form properly and that his check is good. So, did the Attorney General's office screw up and bring it before the wrong commission? Or are these people on this commission just a bunch of communist cowards using a loophole in their own laws?

tim you are accusing people of treason -- which is punishable by DEATH -- for not requiring that the President of the United States give them his social security number to get on the ballot for reelection to the office he's currently serving in. DEATH, tim. THE DEATH PENALTY. And you actually ask why OTHER PEOPLE are so bent out of shape?

Thanks Tim, I sure hope some state can stop him from getting on the ballot.

Tim, earlier you wrote: "Both parents need to be US citizens if a child born of them is to be natural born." This is an untrue statement. No law or court decision nor the Constitution backs it up. Since you only write facts here, you have reasons for believing this. What are they?

It is quite apparent from the comments of Martina S. (COMMENT BY Tim Carter: Martina S.' comment was removed because 'he' violated the Fire Pit Constitution) and John P. Mathis that they are devoid of understanding of a "natural born citizen".

In MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), the U.S. Supreme Court in addressing Mrs. Virginia Minor question whether she has the right to vote, the question of citizenship had to be adressed first of which the Court addressed thoroughly stating the following:

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words 'all children' are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as 'all persons,' and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.

The Founders relied upon Emer De Vattel "Law of Nations" at p.449 § 212.
which states the following:

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment illuminates the following:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

The Citizenship Clause did not originate from John Bingham, but was inserted while the bill was under consideration in the Senate by Sen. Jacob Howard. It was intended to establish who is, and who isn't, a citizen of the United States. The clause itself is straightforward and came with ample documentary construction over how "subject to the jurisdiction" was to be construed.

Sen. Howard introduced the clause this way:

[T]his amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
And what was this law of the land already Howard speaks of? "All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power" are citizens of the United States. So what Howard is making clear here is the simple fact his citizenship clause is no different then the law of the land already which demanded allegiance to the United States by at least the child's father before that child could be considered a U.S. born citizen.

Sen. Howard goes on to add that his citizenship clause "ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now."

Essentially then, the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction" was not used in any sense of geographical location -- but in the full sense of allegiance. This is confirmed by Sen. James Kelly a few years later when he said "in order to be a citizen of the United States he must been not only be born within the United States, but born within the allegiance of the United States."

Bottom line Dr. Orly Taitz,is correct in her argument that Barry Soetoro a.k.a Barack H. Obama is not Constitutionally eligible to occupy the Peoples House.

Why exactly are y'all following Orly Taitz into battle? You realize she's kind of nuts, right? She's a lawyer but the legal community sees her as a complete joke. The committed had to cut her off when she started talking about social security issues with Obama's extended family. She's bonkers.

@Tim Carter:

"Now, if you believe that President Obama is a natural born citizen, then you need to prove that you have a different definition for natural born."

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, Opinion for Publication issued by the Court of Appeals of Indiana:

"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are ‘natural born citizens’ for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

Now here are some of the claims Orly made during her recent presentation to the NH ballot law commission, together with the truth.

ORLY says: Obama has multiple SSNs.

The Truth: Do a search in the national databases on any famous name -- say, Mickey Mouse or John McCain -- and you'll come up with multiple SSNs. The databases Orly used to find Obama's SSNs are dirty, and explicitly disclaim the accuracy of their own information. They are simply unverified compilations of every credit card, bank card and loan application submitted in the US, including obvious trolls. Note that nearly every SSN Orly found for Obama appeared in the databases after Obama became a national figure. Taitz has never offered any evidence Obama was ever aware of, let alone applied for or used any of the numbers she found associated with his name, or even that any of the numbers are valid SSNs at all.

ORLY says: Obama has a Connecticut SSN.
ORLY says: In 1977, by law SSNs were assigned according to the place of residence of the applicant.

The Truth: Calling it a "Connecticut SSN" is, in fact, a misnomer. Prior to 1972, SSNs were assigned by each regional office out of that office's reserved pool of SSNs. In 1972 The SSA centralized its operations in Baltimore, and since that time all SSNs have been assigned from there. Prior to 1972, the "area number" indicated the location of the regional office which assigned the number, which was not necessarily consistent with the applicant's place of residence. After 1972, the area number was assigned based on the zip code in the return address provided by the applicant, which did not have to be the applicant's home address. In brief, as the SSA states on its website, "the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since."

Note also that a simple transcription error would be sufficient to transform President Obama's 1977 zip code (96814) into Danbury, CT (06814).

That 1977 law? No such thing.

ORLY says: There were changes by the SSA around 1976-77 which required individuals to have SSNs in order to get certain benefits.

The Truth: there was no such law.

ORLY says: Many document experts have pronounced Obama's birth certificates frauds.

The Truth: Of Orly's "document experts" -- scanner salesman Doug Vogt, retired typesetter Paul Irey, graphics designer-cum-alleged-Adobe-expert Mara Zebest -- not one comes close to meeting even the minimum certification standards of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners. To date, not a single recognized, certified document examiner has stepped forward to declare Obama's birth certificates forgeries.

ORLY says: Obama's grandmother was a volunteer in the HI probate office at the time Obama obtained his SSN, where she had access to the SSNs of deceased individuals.

The Truth: There is some question as to whether Madelyn Dunham volunteered in the probate office or the probation office. But in either case, she did not begin her volunteer work until after she retired in 1986, years after Obama had received his SSN.

Orly, of course, made a number of additional claims, but this should be enough to cast doubts on the reliability of her assertions.

BTW, where'd you get that oath? According to the NH website, here is the oath a NH civil servant swears:

"I, A.B. do solemnly swear, that I will bear faith and true allegiance to the United States of America and the state of New Hampshire, and will support the constitution thereof. So help me God."

Tim you keep asking for facts. They are too many to just write out on your blog. However, I challenge you and your "followers" to go to these sites that I will list. Let them see the other point of view.I love you dearly and you are a life long friend but I am sure you know that I STRUGGLE GREATLY with the birther rhetoric and conspiracy theories. YOU ARE NOT A RACISTS... you are a wonderful caring fun person. But so many of these things I feel are racist based. When our own Republican congress says that their only goal is to oust the president; that tells me they care little about we the people. As you urged your "followers" to donate to Orly. Please urge them to read alternative websites and blogs and make up their own minds. (thefogbow.com, debunkers guide to Obama Conspiracy theories, birther debunkers wiki, birther case scorecard, birther legislation update, birther calendar)

Hello again Tim. In answer to your question, it is true that the media in our country finds Orly Taitz to be starkers, a completely mad Yankee. Then again, our media is a fine bit crazy themselves! Cheers! Stuart

hi Tim, Is that you who says "Shame on you" at the end of the video?

COMMENT BY Tim Carter:

Beth,

No, it's not me. I made a HUGE mistake by NOT taping what happened in the minutes after the decision. It was imperative that I left the room and as I was walking out, the crowd got much more agitated and upset. The frustration was feeding on itself.

If I'm ever taping a meeting like this again, you can bet I'll get as much of the crowd reaction as possible.

Tim, I am just curious. There were some very good comments that were posted after mine on the 23rd that appear to have been deleted.

They did not support Orly's views, but were not offensive in any way, presented more information and in no way appeared to violate your "Constitution" rules. I know you are supreme being of your blog and can delete what ever you want. I just wondered what happened to them?

COMMENT BY Tim Carter:

Rosemary,

Because you're not a regular visitor to the Fire Pit, you're not aware of the trolls that often stop by my Fire Pit. The milksop you speak of violated Article Two Section II of the Fire Pit Constitution.

He's a liar and has no honor. You and others that disagree with me freely put your real name and email address into the comment form because you have no fear. This person just has no guts.

He does it all the time. I'd say this is perhaps the 12th time he has come to the Fire Pit using an alias.

I take enormous delight in allowing him to "think" he has fooled me by allowing his posts to get published. In some instances, I even respond to him allowing his leg to tingle even more.

But then, without warning, I delete his comments because he lied about his name and email address.

I'm thinking of adding an Amendment to the Fire Pit Constitution. Something along the lines of how no cowards are allowed to post. Especially ones that use proxy servers.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm constantly astonished by the lack of courage shown by this person who hides behind his computer monitor and keyboard like a little toddler hides behind his mother's apron. Can you imagine being one of those people and trying to look at yourself in front of a mirror each morning?

The most pathetic part is when his comments are deleted, he comes back and tries to beg to have them shown. It's really really sad. I'm convinced this person has some health condition that requires medication, but I'm sure no expert on that.

Anyway, I've told this person multiple times to start his own blog. Let the world come to him. He doesn't for one reason. He KNOWS that no one will come to his blog. He wants to try to pick fights here at my Fire Pit where there's lots of traffic.

I had another person do this two years ago. He had the diligence and determination to start a blog. I have much respect for Lou. But from what I can tell, his blog doesn't get much traffic. But I could be wrong. Lou doesn't come by here as often as he used to.

The person you mention has no guts or backbone. He's so weak, he can't even start up his own blog. How sad is that when Google allows you to do this for FREE at their Blogspot.com site.

Rosemary, keep coming by the Fire Pit and you may see a comment of his from time to time, that is before I deep six it like a cat playing with a helpless mouse.

Safe travels back up north!!

That was disgusting. You're the one who should be arrested for treason.

In response to Rosemary's statement, "When our own Republican congress says that their only goal is to oust the president; that tells me they care little about we the people."
It seems to me that by ousting Obama, they care greatly about the people.

The Ballot Law Commissioners basically said that it is NOT THEIR JOB to determine eligibility to “Hear and determine disputes arising from declarations and papers filed to make sure that they are in conformity with the law required by NH 665.7” the law states that 655.47 the forms are to be properly filled out completely and correctly.
Did I hear that correctly? The Ballot Law Commissioners whole duty is to make sure that FORMS are properly filled out and that the $$$ cashed???? That is it?????? What a derelict of duty.